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Steel Battalion: A community that doesn't suck?
March 10th 2004, 01:32 CET by dookieagain

Recently I started playing an online version of the Xbox mech simulator Steel Battalion.  A game most notable for its massive $200 40 button controller.  In the past few weeks I have put in many hours on this game, and noticed something.  The community was friendly, helpful, and more concerned with playing the game for fun, than for ranking or prestige.  Not to mention that on every server I have played on teamwork ruled the day.  To use the internet idiom WTF?!

Now I suppose there are some reasons for this, one that comes to mind is the $250+ entrance fee, seeing as how a player needs the game and controller, ($200) an Xbox Live Subscription ($70), and the online expansion disc ($50).  But expense doesnít seem to stop hundreds of morons and griefers from having $2000 gaming rigs.  Nor does a monthly subscription fee and a focus on teamwork seem to discourage the many idiots and fun breaking players on Planetside and every other MMOG.  

Nor is it because the game lacks a comprehensive ranking system or sufficient encouragement to be at the top.  Rather it has a system that highly rewards winning players with special nicknames, descriptors and special unique items and mechs.  It seems the sort of game where people would be scrambling to abuse the ranking systems and breaking teams for bonus kills.  After all, what power gamer doesnít live for the opportunity to collect rare loot?

I donít know why the community in Steel Battalion: Line of Contact is the way it is, but an indication of the quality is the fact that I have the lowest rank, a clearly awful record, and am often unaware of the best tactics and yet players who have high rank and clearly superior Kills to Death ratios are happy to join my team and treat me as an equal.  Not to mention the fact that in the whole time I have played I have yet to hear the term noob once, which is a godsend.  

Admittedly this is a game with Draconian systems of play and poor technical implementation, but the community alone has me working through the many otherwise experience harming technical SNAFUS like losing mechs to network hiccups or the death (As in a character, stats, items, and all is permanently deleted) of experienced pilots due to lag.  Still if anyone has played this game, or any other online game with a remarkably good community, this should be the place to post.  

Some Links for people who want a better idea of the game/controller:  
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#46 by chris
2004-03-10 07:04:28
cwb@shaithis.com http://www.cerebraldebris.com
#45 Trunks
What's the consensus on the AvP movie trailer?

I have a few basic thoughts:

1. Quicktime is cockass
2. Yay! I will go see this even though it probably eats shit.
3. I hate it when movies use stock sound effects. I can't quite place it, but I know I've heard that gunshot elsewhere.

-chris
#47 by dookieagain
2004-03-10 07:07:42
jfd13@pitt.edu
Not really much of a trailer more of a teaser.  Any clue who's directing?  I didn't see it on the teaser page and that's pretty important.  I mean regardless of the lack of overall quality in the latter Alien films, the directors have always been pretty talented.  I mean Cameron did Titanic, which despite my loathing it, was a huge success.  He also did Terminator II, which is good, and True Lies, which was entertaining.  Ridley Scott of Alien, is the man behind Gladiator, Black Hawk Down, Bladerunner, and G.I. Jane (Which is an underated flick).  David Fincher did Alien 3, and he went on to do Fight Club and Seven.  And Alien 4 is directed by of all people, Jean-Pierre Jeunet who did Amelie (Which is a fantastic movie.) and Delicatessen which is also great.  
As for what's seen in that trailer, looks like a present day motiff, which seems kinda weak considering how cool the future marine thing was in Aliens.  Plus it looks like the script where it takes place in the artic is the one that got nabbed, which is unfortunate because I hear it is crap.  I haven't read it myself, but I remember mumurings of how awful it is from almost a year ago.  It's on the net somewhere obviously, and if you have a link throw it this way so I can evalutate for myself.

#48 by lwf
2004-03-10 07:09:12
So AVP will suck unbelievably hard but the Director will go on to greater things.

For the next time you must redefine something.
#49 by Bailey
2004-03-10 07:11:09
Got-damn, familiar gunshot sound? That's a sad excuse to kvetch. That being said, yes, this movie will be godawful, but regardless, I would have killed most of you for the opportunity to play Nameless Technician Who Gets Eaten #5. The cast of nobodies is not heartwarming.

Only as much as you deserve.
#50 by Bailey
2004-03-10 07:11:37
The director is Paul W.S. Anderson.

Only as much as you deserve.
#51 by Bailey
2004-03-10 07:12:17
His imdb credits are a who's who of crappy movies.

Only as much as you deserve.
#52 by dookieagain
2004-03-10 07:13:12
jfd13@pitt.edu
So AVP will suck unbelievably hard but the Director will go on to greater things.
  

Yeah that basically covers it.  But it is a little sad that I can't even find a director attached to it.  When you won't put your name on it is a bad sign methinks.

#53 by Bailey
2004-03-10 07:13:26
You're fired.

Only as much as you deserve.
#54 by dookieagain
2004-03-10 07:14:33
jfd13@pitt.edu
Oh ok. . .  posted that as the director's name appears d'oh.  Thanks Bailey.  Any notice of the leaked script?  Might be worth a chuckle or too.  I hope it is on a par with all the shitty AvP fanfiction out there.

#55 by Bailey
2004-03-10 07:15:34
You're still fired.

Only as much as you deserve.
#56 by dookieagain
2004-03-10 07:17:37
jfd13@pitt.edu
Was I ever hired in the first place? Or is this one of them new fangled pre-emptive firings?

#57 by Trunks
2004-03-10 07:18:09
Hell, I'm sure we can make a better movie in a AvP2 deathmatch game.

"Whether he likes it or not, a man's character is stripped bare at the poker table; if the other players read him better than he does, he has only himself to blame. Unless he is both able and prepared to see himself as others do, flaws and all, he will be a loser in cards, as in life."
-Anthony Holden
#58 by dookieagain
2004-03-10 07:21:15
jfd13@pitt.edu
Oh god, I just looked at Mr. Anderson's IMDB credits, and I see two videogame to film conversions.  I am dumbstruck.  I haven't even seen Resident Evil, but if Event Horizon is any indication of the quality of filmaking we are looking at here, well, who could screw up haunted ship in space that eats the crew?  It's like the lowest common denominator sci-fi/horror.  Yet he made it really boring.  I mean now you're handing him Alien Vs. Predator.  These aren't ideas that are easy to ruin.  But obviously he will give it a shot.

#59 by Dumdeedum
2004-03-10 07:26:25
http://www.dumdeedum.com
Chris
1. Quicktime is cockass

Combine Quicktime Alternative with Media Player Classic and download via the direct links on this site and it's not too painful.  Still cockass maybe, but without the rank farts of the full install.

They all hate us anyhow, so let's drop the big one now.
#60 by dookieagain
2004-03-10 07:31:10
jfd13@pitt.edu
*Probably Spoilers.*
Oh huzzah I found a script review that seems to suggest steaming dog ass as the quality of this film.  While reading up on it I learned of another brilliant idea, aside from the whole present day thing.  The predators in the movie are teenagers.  Cool huh? Way to appeal to the youth audience.  I hope they don't have them saying, "What the fuck are you. . . G-dawg."  to try and get the urban teen audience too.  

The review

#61 by Bailey
2004-03-10 07:33:09
The predators in the AvP games have always been youths, you nit. It's how their rite of manhood.

Only as much as you deserve.
#62 by Bailey
2004-03-10 07:33:46
How their? How now!

Only as much as you deserve.
#63 by Duality
2004-03-10 07:33:50
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
#30 Darkseid-D
GamePro is usually about as accurate and correct as Hugin is with the flak cannon in ONS. Ie, not very.

*SIGH*

You can't just be satisfied with the one statement and be done with it, can you Ds?

#51 Bailey
His imdb credits are a who's who of crappy movies.

Is that a Who's Who or a What's What?
#64 by Bailey
2004-03-10 07:35:08
Is that ambrosia from heaven or warm urine spattering your jowls?

Only as much as you deserve.
#65 by dookieagain
2004-03-10 07:37:00
jfd13@pitt.edu
They were always youths.

Well I am a moron.

#66 by chris
2004-03-10 07:38:02
cwb@shaithis.com http://www.cerebraldebris.com
I'm guessing urine

-chris
#67 by Bailey
2004-03-10 07:38:05
I'm an alcoholic. What's your excuse?

Only as much as you deserve.
#68 by Darkseid-D
2004-03-10 07:39:49
rogerboal@hotmail.com
That was a statement and an alt-statement.


Just gone done with half a dozen fabulous rounds of Forgotten Hope on the Battle For Europe Servers, shocking amounts of team work for a pub game.

Do not go gently into that good night.
Old age should burn and rage at the close of day.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#69 by dookieagain
2004-03-10 07:41:48
jfd13@pitt.edu
Forgotten hope maybe I should try that.  Aside from Steel Batallion all the communities I interact with suck at teamwork.  Hopefully my poor old PC will run it.

#70 by haplo
2004-03-10 08:09:12
The AvP script

Reading the AICN story though, might be a different draft of the script then the one actually used in production.

I haven't read it all yet though...

<@jafd> Anyway, Darth, your name is stupid. sry.
<@Ashiran> So no more darthnugget?
<@haplo> darthnugget has left the building
#71 by haplo
2004-03-10 08:12:36
Well ok its listed on another site as "unused script".

<@jafd> Anyway, Darth, your name is stupid. sry.
<@Ashiran> So no more darthnugget?
<@haplo> darthnugget has left the building
#72 by Bailey
2004-03-10 08:26:04
Jebus, there've been something like fifteen "unused" scripts since 1996, most of which were either fanfiction or the product of aspiring* writers.

* - Read: fanfiction writers who demand to be taken seriously.

Only as much as you deserve.
#73 by Bailey
2004-03-10 08:28:01
That particular script haplo linked has been floating around the net for about eight years, and was rumored to be SITTING ON SIGORNEY WEEVERS FILING CABINET RITE NOW OMG.

Only as much as you deserve.
#74 by chris
2004-03-10 08:36:40
cwb@shaithis.com http://www.cerebraldebris.com
The stupid thing is: there was a critically acclaimed AvP series from dark horse like twelve goddamn years ago. They could've just made that into a movie.

-chris
#75 by Trunks
2004-03-10 08:46:07
Movie theatres need eject buttons.  You should also get your money back when you smash it repeatedly.

"Whether he likes it or not, a man's character is stripped bare at the poker table; if the other players read him better than he does, he has only himself to blame. Unless he is both able and prepared to see himself as others do, flaws and all, he will be a loser in cards, as in life."
-Anthony Holden
#76 by Bailey
2004-03-10 08:49:55
Dictionary.com is running some truly fucking creepy ad banners as of late. The current one boasts Your Personal Horoscope!, bearing the visage of a sneering girl with that "used up too soon" look, bare to the bustline, right off a Russian lolita porn site. Mixed messages and then some.

Only as much as you deserve.
#77 by dookieagain
2004-03-10 08:57:52
jfd13@pitt.edu
I don't know, but somehow I doubt the future for many of Dictionary.com's users involves nymphettes.  Maybe their ad banners could show someone enjoying a tasty lunch or walking to work, something you know everyone is going to be doing within the next day or so.  Make the whole horoscope thing seem more accurate.  I know I wouldn't believe a horoscope that involved me having sex with a russian porn starlet.   Then again, knowing the internet maybe it is equal parts horoscope and find a russian teenage bride, I'd click the link, but who knows what I'd find.  Speaking of such, I heard somewhere that John Romero married some teenaged girl from a formerly soviet country.  Did I imagine that or did it happen?

#78 by Squeaky
2004-03-10 08:58:46
Welcome to last year.

I love the Power Glove. It's so bad.
dvds
#79 by chris
2004-03-10 09:24:03
cwb@shaithis.com http://www.cerebraldebris.com
Well, last month anyway

-chris
#80 by Sgt Hulka
2004-03-10 09:29:02
Geesh.. It took me 40 minutes to find a missing = sign in a boatload of variables.. I'm exhausted.

I think I'm getting Tunnel Carpal or Carpal Tunnel.. whatevah!

Hey Hollywood!  Quit pushing the Lizzy McGuire.  She's no Olsen Twin!

American society is a rigid, dichotomized instrument of repression which ensures that its members behaved like clones, marching through life with mechanical, assembly-line precision and no tolerance for ambiguity.
#81 by gaggle
2004-03-10 10:49:28
I liked Resident Evil. Terrific movie, in all its glorious actiongaming splendor. Although I'm no expert in the RE games it strikes me as a fairly faithful game-to-movie conversion, paying respect to things the games do (flock of birds, empty mansion, end of level monster thing, etc.) and keeping the characters roughly in line with their game-counterparts. It's as if it doesn't even pretend to want more than just be nice scifi action.

Anyway, I liked it, found it entirely enjoyable. Definitely looking forward to the sequel.

AvP wise I'm with Chris that they could've gone with storylines lifted from the AvP comics. I haven't read them nyself so I'm just running on the people that have told me that they're good. Gotta see the movie regardless of course, but.. I doubt it'll turn out much more than empty action. Which may suit Resident Evil, but when you involve the almighty Alien maybe more is in order?


Related comment: I clearly remember reading somewhere, maybe Ain't It Cool News, that James Cameron had some interest in directing a new Alien movie. But only if there were no inbetween movies containing Aliens, ie. he'd like to revive the series. Instead Paul W.S. Anderson was chosen. So that's always heartwarmingly poetic. I don't know how much truth is to that, but that's what the newssource said.
#82 by gaggle
2004-03-10 10:50:58
nyself. Interesting.
#83 by Jibble
2004-03-10 14:45:21
#58 dookieagain
Oh god, I just looked at Mr. Anderson's IMDB credits, and I see two videogame to film conversions.  I am dumbstruck.

His credits list the only videogame to film conversions to date that are reasonably watchable.  Mortal Kombat was silly, but enjoyable.  Resident Evil is even, dare I say, actually good.

"No degree of dullness can safeguard a work against the determination of critics to find it fascinating." - Harold Rosenberg
#84 by Jibble
2004-03-10 14:48:22
#75 Trunks
Movie theatres need eject buttons.  You should also get your money back when you smash it repeatedly.

Flip up the plastic part and press gently.

"No degree of dullness can safeguard a work against the determination of critics to find it fascinating." - Harold Rosenberg
#85 by Gunp01nt
2004-03-10 14:50:10
supersimon33@hotmail.com
I would think Steel Battalion's rather steep price functions as a shitfilter, since even the most persistantly whiny kids are unlikely to casually trick their parents into buying a $200 game.

In unrelated news, I turned 22 yesterday. Happy birthday to me...

I want a horse that ribbits and a frog that neighs... oink oink oink
#86 by Duality
2004-03-10 14:51:18
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
#74 chris
The stupid thing is: there was a critically acclaimed AvP series from dark horse like twelve goddamn years ago. They could've just made that into a movie.

It was considered.

We got Alien Cubed, instead.
#87 by Jibble
2004-03-10 14:53:28
#85 Gunp01nt
I would think Steel Battalion's rather steep price functions as a shitfilter, since even the most persistantly whiny kids are unlikely to casually trick their parents into buying a $200 game.

In unrelated news, I turned 22 yesterday. Happy birthday to me...

Congratulations!  You're finally legal to...um...oh, wait, everything's legal when you turn 7 over there...

"No degree of dullness can safeguard a work against the determination of critics to find it fascinating." - Harold Rosenberg
#88 by Jibble
2004-03-10 14:56:26
Hmm...robarb reminds me of a much fatter and less-well-drawn version of Bailey some days.

"No degree of dullness can safeguard a work against the determination of critics to find it fascinating." - Harold Rosenberg
#89 by Warren Marshall
2004-03-10 15:00:57
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Hey Hollywood! Quit pushing the Lizzy McGuire. She's no Olsen Twin!

With a strategically placed paper bag, she can be anyone you damn well please.

"Cheap Garbage Disposal Canít Handle Femur"
#90 by Jibble
2004-03-10 15:36:43
#86 Duality
#74 chris
The stupid thing is: there was a critically acclaimed AvP series from dark horse like twelve goddamn years ago. They could've just made that into a movie.

It was considered.

We got Alien Cubed, instead.

I would have thought with all the recent comic book -> movie stuff going on that they would have reconsidered it.

"No degree of dullness can safeguard a work against the determination of critics to find it fascinating." - Harold Rosenberg
#91 by Warren Marshall
2004-03-10 15:48:50
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Seems like a PC type question ...

I like to listen to loud music while I work, but my office mates don't like listening to whatever escapes from my headphones.

Any recommendations/links to quality headphones that will let me rock out and leave the people around me in peace?

"Cheap Garbage Disposal Canít Handle Femur"
#92 by Hugin
2004-03-10 15:49:06
lmccain@nber.org
I agree with gaggle and jibble.  Mortal Kombat was a decently fun, decently faithful videogame movie, and I enjoyed Resident Evil and am looking forward to the sequel (I have no idea who's directing the sequel, I'm just saying the first one was good enough to make me want more).  So I'm fine with the director.  That being said, the tiny snippets of reaction shots by the human cast make them look very lame.  As sci-fi geek cool as Aliens and Predators are, the quality of all the Alien and Predator movies has risen and fallen on the strength and coolness of the human cast.
#93 by gaggle
2004-03-10 15:56:26
I've had to go through a lot of ridiculing and mental scarring due to my taste in music before I was able to play music at the desired volume without everyone whining. At least they don't openly complain anymore.

Yes, I realise I'm not actually helping. Don't know any soundencapsulatingly good headphones, sorry.
#94 by Jibble
2004-03-10 16:00:09
You could always get one of those overhead-mounted bowl speaker thingies that only sends sound downward so no one else can hear it...

"No degree of dullness can safeguard a work against the determination of critics to find it fascinating." - Harold Rosenberg
#95 by Warren Marshall
2004-03-10 16:08:12
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
#93 gaggle
I've had to go through a lot of ridiculing and mental scarring due to my taste in music before I was able to play music at the desired volume without everyone whining. At least they don't openly complain anymore.

It's not the music they're complaining about, it's that they can hear it.  It's hard to concentrate with unintelligible music-like noise streaming out of someones headphones.

"Cheap Garbage Disposal Canít Handle Femur"
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