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Steel Battalion: A community that doesn't suck?
March 10th 2004, 01:32 CET by dookieagain

Recently I started playing an online version of the Xbox mech simulator Steel Battalion.  A game most notable for its massive $200 40 button controller.  In the past few weeks I have put in many hours on this game, and noticed something.  The community was friendly, helpful, and more concerned with playing the game for fun, than for ranking or prestige.  Not to mention that on every server I have played on teamwork ruled the day.  To use the internet idiom WTF?!

Now I suppose there are some reasons for this, one that comes to mind is the $250+ entrance fee, seeing as how a player needs the game and controller, ($200) an Xbox Live Subscription ($70), and the online expansion disc ($50).  But expense doesnít seem to stop hundreds of morons and griefers from having $2000 gaming rigs.  Nor does a monthly subscription fee and a focus on teamwork seem to discourage the many idiots and fun breaking players on Planetside and every other MMOG.  

Nor is it because the game lacks a comprehensive ranking system or sufficient encouragement to be at the top.  Rather it has a system that highly rewards winning players with special nicknames, descriptors and special unique items and mechs.  It seems the sort of game where people would be scrambling to abuse the ranking systems and breaking teams for bonus kills.  After all, what power gamer doesnít live for the opportunity to collect rare loot?

I donít know why the community in Steel Battalion: Line of Contact is the way it is, but an indication of the quality is the fact that I have the lowest rank, a clearly awful record, and am often unaware of the best tactics and yet players who have high rank and clearly superior Kills to Death ratios are happy to join my team and treat me as an equal.  Not to mention the fact that in the whole time I have played I have yet to hear the term noob once, which is a godsend.  

Admittedly this is a game with Draconian systems of play and poor technical implementation, but the community alone has me working through the many otherwise experience harming technical SNAFUS like losing mechs to network hiccups or the death (As in a character, stats, items, and all is permanently deleted) of experienced pilots due to lag.  Still if anyone has played this game, or any other online game with a remarkably good community, this should be the place to post.  

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#24 by Dumdeedum
2004-03-10 03:51:02
http://www.dumdeedum.com
I always read Ninja Gaiden as Ninja Garden, so unless the game features stealthy pruning and raking pleasing swirls into paths then I suspect I'd be disappointed by it.

They all hate us anyhow, so let's drop the big one now.
#25 by dookieagain
2004-03-10 03:54:42
jfd13@pitt.edu
Ninja Gaiden is fun if insanely tough. The plot in Ninja Gaiden is the best example of Japanese insanity in years though.  Everything from people who turn into tentacled demons (fiends) to huge breasted women with giant hammers.  Did I mention it randomly jumps around too?  I mean the original games had plots with demons and such, but at least that had a semblance of order.  Still I can't complain about the level in the new one where you single handedly take on a military force with a sword and a bow and arrow.  It is my dream of playing Rambo III, but he's a ninja.

#26 by dookieagain
2004-03-10 03:55:57
jfd13@pitt.edu
Speaking of Co-op why the hell isn't Steel Batallion co-op?  I mean I love the battlefield 1942 style multiplayer, but going through massive invansion levels with a group of real players, that would be great.

#27 by Chunkstyle
2004-03-10 03:58:47
That Gamepro article must be wrong, because I heard Doom 3 on the pc will have co-op.

Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and it's all over much too soon.
 -Woody Allen
#28 by haplo
2004-03-10 03:59:23
but going through massive invansion levels with a group of real players, that would be great.


Lets hope Mech Assault 2 has something like that..without the controller of course.

<@jafd> Anyway, Darth, your name is stupid. sry.
<@Ashiran> So no more darthnugget?
<@haplo> darthnugget has left the building
#29 by dookieagain
2004-03-10 04:06:32
jfd13@pitt.edu
Without the controller 80% of the fun would be gone.  I can do that without the controller in planetside.  Not to mention that the mech assault community is the worst community I have yet seen on xbox live.  Every whining 10 year old who could talk his parents into coughing up their Credit Card numbers plays mech assault, and every time I die I am called a noob.  Don't even get me started on the whole piss poor mech balance. *Cough PPC Cough*  Oh and I meant invasion, my typing is not at its peak today.

#30 by Darkseid-D
2004-03-10 04:07:09
rogerboal@hotmail.com
GamePro is usually about as accurate and correct as Hugin is with the flak cannon in ONS. Ie, not very.

Do not go gently into that good night.
Old age should burn and rage at the close of day.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#31 by Hugin
2004-03-10 04:21:36
lmccain@nber.org
Ow!  I mean..not untrue, but..
#32 by LPMiller
2004-03-10 04:25:39
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
That was not a nice thing to say. Hugin is gainfully employed, he can't be expected to know the flak gun like you do, Dark.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#33 by Matthew Gallant
2004-03-10 04:44:50
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
Speaking of Ninja Garden, a lot of ninja weapons are just repurposed farm tools. Old tools, mostly. I've yet to see a ninja version of a combine.

"All I've ever wanted to be is a monkey of moderate intelligence that wears a suit. That's why I'm transferring to business school!"
#34 by Darkseid-D
2004-03-10 04:47:36
rogerboal@hotmail.com
Sorry, that came out meaner than I intended, was meant more as a good natured joshing over the various PC games.

Do not go gently into that good night.
Old age should burn and rage at the close of day.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#35 by lwf
2004-03-10 04:59:19
So Caryn, what are you going to spend your dollar on now that you don't have to watch Viacom channels?

For the next time you must redefine something.
#36 by Hugin
2004-03-10 05:00:17
lmccain@nber.org
Oh, I didn't think it was mean. I thought it was funny really.
#37 by Squeaky
2004-03-10 05:00:31
#33 Matthew Gallant
Speaking of Ninja Garden, a lot of ninja weapons are just repurposed farm tools. Old tools, mostly.

He speaks the truth.

I love the Power Glove. It's so bad.
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#38 by "Anonymous"
2004-03-10 05:00:51
HEY YOU FRONTPAGE GUYS

IM IN TEH FRONTPAGE

HUHU FRONT

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#39 by Bailey
2004-03-10 05:39:32
Regale us with ninja tales!

Only as much as you deserve.
#40 by Your Friend
2004-03-10 05:40:51
I kicked a lot of ass in Ninja Gaiden today.  You should have seen it.

Good times, good times.

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#41 by dookieagain
2004-03-10 05:58:15
jfd13@pitt.edu
I too kicked some ninja gaiden ass today.  I enjoy decapitating the crab ninja things.

#42 by Matthew Gallant
2004-03-10 06:00:33
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
Regale us with ninja tales!

One time in the 1980s, a dying ninja possessed a sexy lady and she killed many of his enemies. The end.

"All I've ever wanted to be is a monkey of moderate intelligence that wears a suit. That's why I'm transferring to business school!"
#43 by Squeaky
2004-03-10 06:21:48
So I played a bit more of SB today...

Let me tell you guys this: It is fucking impossible to not be able to hit the eject button in time should your mech get destroyed.

I love the Power Glove. It's so bad.
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#44 by Caryn
2004-03-10 06:33:31
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
#35 lwf
So Caryn, what are you going to spend your dollar on now that you don't have to watch Viacom channels?


I'll buy the president of Viacomm a punch to the head!

"See, Canadians believe Jesus walked on water. We just figure it was winter when he did." - Squeaky
#45 by Trunks
2004-03-10 06:57:50
What's the consensus on the AvP movie trailer?

"Whether he likes it or not, a man's character is stripped bare at the poker table; if the other players read him better than he does, he has only himself to blame. Unless he is both able and prepared to see himself as others do, flaws and all, he will be a loser in cards, as in life."
-Anthony Holden
#46 by chris
2004-03-10 07:04:28
cwb@shaithis.com http://www.cerebraldebris.com
#45 Trunks
What's the consensus on the AvP movie trailer?

I have a few basic thoughts:

1. Quicktime is cockass
2. Yay! I will go see this even though it probably eats shit.
3. I hate it when movies use stock sound effects. I can't quite place it, but I know I've heard that gunshot elsewhere.

-chris
#47 by dookieagain
2004-03-10 07:07:42
jfd13@pitt.edu
Not really much of a trailer more of a teaser.  Any clue who's directing?  I didn't see it on the teaser page and that's pretty important.  I mean regardless of the lack of overall quality in the latter Alien films, the directors have always been pretty talented.  I mean Cameron did Titanic, which despite my loathing it, was a huge success.  He also did Terminator II, which is good, and True Lies, which was entertaining.  Ridley Scott of Alien, is the man behind Gladiator, Black Hawk Down, Bladerunner, and G.I. Jane (Which is an underated flick).  David Fincher did Alien 3, and he went on to do Fight Club and Seven.  And Alien 4 is directed by of all people, Jean-Pierre Jeunet who did Amelie (Which is a fantastic movie.) and Delicatessen which is also great.  
As for what's seen in that trailer, looks like a present day motiff, which seems kinda weak considering how cool the future marine thing was in Aliens.  Plus it looks like the script where it takes place in the artic is the one that got nabbed, which is unfortunate because I hear it is crap.  I haven't read it myself, but I remember mumurings of how awful it is from almost a year ago.  It's on the net somewhere obviously, and if you have a link throw it this way so I can evalutate for myself.

#48 by lwf
2004-03-10 07:09:12
So AVP will suck unbelievably hard but the Director will go on to greater things.

For the next time you must redefine something.
#49 by Bailey
2004-03-10 07:11:09
Got-damn, familiar gunshot sound? That's a sad excuse to kvetch. That being said, yes, this movie will be godawful, but regardless, I would have killed most of you for the opportunity to play Nameless Technician Who Gets Eaten #5. The cast of nobodies is not heartwarming.

Only as much as you deserve.
#50 by Bailey
2004-03-10 07:11:37
The director is Paul W.S. Anderson.

Only as much as you deserve.
#51 by Bailey
2004-03-10 07:12:17
His imdb credits are a who's who of crappy movies.

Only as much as you deserve.
#52 by dookieagain
2004-03-10 07:13:12
jfd13@pitt.edu
So AVP will suck unbelievably hard but the Director will go on to greater things.
  

Yeah that basically covers it.  But it is a little sad that I can't even find a director attached to it.  When you won't put your name on it is a bad sign methinks.

#53 by Bailey
2004-03-10 07:13:26
You're fired.

Only as much as you deserve.
#54 by dookieagain
2004-03-10 07:14:33
jfd13@pitt.edu
Oh ok. . .  posted that as the director's name appears d'oh.  Thanks Bailey.  Any notice of the leaked script?  Might be worth a chuckle or too.  I hope it is on a par with all the shitty AvP fanfiction out there.

#55 by Bailey
2004-03-10 07:15:34
You're still fired.

Only as much as you deserve.
#56 by dookieagain
2004-03-10 07:17:37
jfd13@pitt.edu
Was I ever hired in the first place? Or is this one of them new fangled pre-emptive firings?

#57 by Trunks
2004-03-10 07:18:09
Hell, I'm sure we can make a better movie in a AvP2 deathmatch game.

"Whether he likes it or not, a man's character is stripped bare at the poker table; if the other players read him better than he does, he has only himself to blame. Unless he is both able and prepared to see himself as others do, flaws and all, he will be a loser in cards, as in life."
-Anthony Holden
#58 by dookieagain
2004-03-10 07:21:15
jfd13@pitt.edu
Oh god, I just looked at Mr. Anderson's IMDB credits, and I see two videogame to film conversions.  I am dumbstruck.  I haven't even seen Resident Evil, but if Event Horizon is any indication of the quality of filmaking we are looking at here, well, who could screw up haunted ship in space that eats the crew?  It's like the lowest common denominator sci-fi/horror.  Yet he made it really boring.  I mean now you're handing him Alien Vs. Predator.  These aren't ideas that are easy to ruin.  But obviously he will give it a shot.

#59 by Dumdeedum
2004-03-10 07:26:25
http://www.dumdeedum.com
Chris
1. Quicktime is cockass

Combine Quicktime Alternative with Media Player Classic and download via the direct links on this site and it's not too painful.  Still cockass maybe, but without the rank farts of the full install.

They all hate us anyhow, so let's drop the big one now.
#60 by dookieagain
2004-03-10 07:31:10
jfd13@pitt.edu
*Probably Spoilers.*
Oh huzzah I found a script review that seems to suggest steaming dog ass as the quality of this film.  While reading up on it I learned of another brilliant idea, aside from the whole present day thing.  The predators in the movie are teenagers.  Cool huh? Way to appeal to the youth audience.  I hope they don't have them saying, "What the fuck are you. . . G-dawg."  to try and get the urban teen audience too.  

The review

#61 by Bailey
2004-03-10 07:33:09
The predators in the AvP games have always been youths, you nit. It's how their rite of manhood.

Only as much as you deserve.
#62 by Bailey
2004-03-10 07:33:46
How their? How now!

Only as much as you deserve.
#63 by Duality
2004-03-10 07:33:50
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
#30 Darkseid-D
GamePro is usually about as accurate and correct as Hugin is with the flak cannon in ONS. Ie, not very.

*SIGH*

You can't just be satisfied with the one statement and be done with it, can you Ds?

#51 Bailey
His imdb credits are a who's who of crappy movies.

Is that a Who's Who or a What's What?
#64 by Bailey
2004-03-10 07:35:08
Is that ambrosia from heaven or warm urine spattering your jowls?

Only as much as you deserve.
#65 by dookieagain
2004-03-10 07:37:00
jfd13@pitt.edu
They were always youths.

Well I am a moron.

#66 by chris
2004-03-10 07:38:02
cwb@shaithis.com http://www.cerebraldebris.com
I'm guessing urine

-chris
#67 by Bailey
2004-03-10 07:38:05
I'm an alcoholic. What's your excuse?

Only as much as you deserve.
#68 by Darkseid-D
2004-03-10 07:39:49
rogerboal@hotmail.com
That was a statement and an alt-statement.


Just gone done with half a dozen fabulous rounds of Forgotten Hope on the Battle For Europe Servers, shocking amounts of team work for a pub game.

Do not go gently into that good night.
Old age should burn and rage at the close of day.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#69 by dookieagain
2004-03-10 07:41:48
jfd13@pitt.edu
Forgotten hope maybe I should try that.  Aside from Steel Batallion all the communities I interact with suck at teamwork.  Hopefully my poor old PC will run it.

#70 by haplo
2004-03-10 08:09:12
The AvP script

Reading the AICN story though, might be a different draft of the script then the one actually used in production.

I haven't read it all yet though...

<@jafd> Anyway, Darth, your name is stupid. sry.
<@Ashiran> So no more darthnugget?
<@haplo> darthnugget has left the building
#71 by haplo
2004-03-10 08:12:36
Well ok its listed on another site as "unused script".

<@jafd> Anyway, Darth, your name is stupid. sry.
<@Ashiran> So no more darthnugget?
<@haplo> darthnugget has left the building
#72 by Bailey
2004-03-10 08:26:04
Jebus, there've been something like fifteen "unused" scripts since 1996, most of which were either fanfiction or the product of aspiring* writers.

* - Read: fanfiction writers who demand to be taken seriously.

Only as much as you deserve.
#73 by Bailey
2004-03-10 08:28:01
That particular script haplo linked has been floating around the net for about eight years, and was rumored to be SITTING ON SIGORNEY WEEVERS FILING CABINET RITE NOW OMG.

Only as much as you deserve.
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