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March 20th 2003, 14:13 CET by Matt Davis

According to various news sources, war has already started with special forces fighting in the southern part of iraq.
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#80 by Battle-Dwarf
2003-03-20 18:28:50
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I don't live in San Diego. And I'm not single.


D'oh!  I thought you resided in San Diego. Well, I stand corrected on the first part.  The second part
---I already know.

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#81 by Battle-Dwarf
2003-03-20 18:30:47
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Ooooh really? Cute single or bags-over-their-heads single?




I didn't have a problem with what I saw out there.  I had my share of chick-a licious!  ;)

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#82 by LPMiller
2003-03-20 18:30:49
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In my opinion the US troops are paid workers, they weren't drafted and they aren't unpaid volunteers, they are men and women paid to kill or support those who will be doing the killing.


No, you are wrong, because they are in fact all brain washed to be in the military. Duh.

But hey, that shouldn't stop anyone from throwing fake blood at them and calling them baby killers when they get home. Because that works out so well for everyone.

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#83 by Battle-Dwarf
2003-03-20 18:31:33
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>>>Warren Marshall

"T" for?

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#84 by Bailey
2003-03-20 18:32:40
So what were you doing hanging around with terrorists then?

Uh... I live in Canada? Hello? This is like the Petticoat Junction of the terrorist inbound route to the US. All terrorists must frolic through our golden wheat fields, pee in our beer-producing mountain streams, and fraternize with the locals before reaching the great satan.

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#85 by MCorleone
2003-03-20 18:35:18
I refuse to watch any footage of this war on television.  I'm going to pick up the special-edition DVD box when it's all over - The one with the 72Minutes of footage they couldn't show me on TV.

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#86 by Bailey
2003-03-20 18:39:49
Soldiers Gone Wild?

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#87 by MCorleone
2003-03-20 18:42:05
Fox News presents:  Geraldo Rivera's Soldier's Gone Wild

Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
#88 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 18:43:59
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Fox News presents:  Geraldo Rivera's Soldier's Gone Wild


See Geraldo Rivera donkey punches Christiane Amanpour.

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#89 by MCorleone
2003-03-20 18:45:33
Easter Egg

Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
#90 by Warren Marshall
2003-03-20 18:49:21
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See Geraldo Rivera donkey punches Christiane Amanpour.

Erics personal war with his keyboard continues.
#91 by Darkseid-D
2003-03-20 18:50:20
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Missile knockdown systems?

Oh you mean like the Chaingun systems used on Royal Navy ships from the mid 70s onwards which successfully intercepted quite a few air and waterline based missiles, some got through causing the likes of the Sir Gallahad to burn out and cause several casualtys.  Those systems can knock out missiles up to a mile away and the new varients which use the 'metal storm' system are lethally effective, not sure if metal storm has made it past trialling yet tho.

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#92 by MCorleone
2003-03-20 18:52:11
Mmmm, Phalanx.

Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
#93 by Darkseid-D
2003-03-20 18:54:25
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thats the type Im talking about MCorleone, thanks, theyve been around for quite some time, albeit not as sophisticated.

Metal storm however is -really- nasty.

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#94 by MCorleone
2003-03-20 19:02:40
Link?

Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
#95 by Charles
2003-03-20 19:07:16
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I saw the phalanx in action on a discovery channel special.  Impressive.

Of course, this is only a minor technicality, as even when "properly elected" into office, a politician has as much chance of not having gotten there via corrupt means as Dubya has of spelling racecar backwards.  --UncleJeet
#96 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 19:07:18
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Link?


Link?

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#97 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 19:09:08
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Here's a streaming video update of CBC Newsworld of the war in Iraq.

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#98 by CheesyPoof
2003-03-20 19:12:38
How many 6'4" Arabs with a dialysis machine attached to them are there?

That is undetermined.
#99 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 19:17:13
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He's not 6'4"?

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#100 by Bailey
2003-03-20 19:20:59
I can't respect a terrorist who doesn't at least top 6'2".

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#101 by Your Friend
2003-03-20 19:22:06
I was going to post more or less what Caryn did, but she beat me too it, damn it.

It is easy to look back now that we're involved in a questionable war and say these troops shouldn't have signed up, but are you honestly advocating that nobody should join the military?  That a military isn't required to defend the US against the possibility of foreign invasion, etc?  Because if so...stupid...just stupid.

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#102 by Charles
2003-03-20 19:22:13
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Does height added by boots count?

Of course, this is only a minor technicality, as even when "properly elected" into office, a politician has as much chance of not having gotten there via corrupt means as Dubya has of spelling racecar backwards.  --UncleJeet
#103 by MCorleone
2003-03-20 19:22:28
Crouching Saddam, Hidden Osama.

Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
#104 by Shadarr
2003-03-20 19:23:25
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I saw a segment last night about how the US has tightened up the Canadian border.  A middle-aged, white couple were turned back because although they had Canadian passports, the border guards wanted things like proof that they owned or rented a home, phone bills, and a bunch of other things that would be a hell of a lot easier to forge than their passports.  Truckers were also pissed off at the delays, since it cuts directly into their bottom line.

All this to prevent terrorists from coming in from Canada even though none of the 9-11 suspects did.
#105 by Hugin
2003-03-20 19:23:38
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Hitting a missile with a gun is significantly simpler than hitting a missile with another missile.  Systems like the Phalanx are pretty cool, but they're doing a significantly different, and simpler job than Patriot missiles.  Which from what I have read and heard, work better now than they did during the first gulf war, but don't yet really work well.
#106 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 19:24:49
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That a military isn't required to defend the US against the possibility of foreign invasion, etc?  Because if so...stupid...just stupid.


When was the last time the US was invaded by another country? The War of 1812 by Canadians?

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#107 by MCorleone
2003-03-20 19:25:09
Yeah, I don't think you'd want a phalanx shredding a warhead filled with bio or chem weapons within a km above a city.  That would sort of assist the dispersal.  Patriot vaporizes (well, is supposed to) the payload.

Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
#108 by Your Friend
2003-03-20 19:25:31
Those chainguns are all well and good if you're trying to protect a very small target (like the ship the chaingun is on, or one very close to it).  Not so good for protecting much else.  

In any case, we're only a couple years away (maybe less, depending upon information nobody knows about due to it being classified) from high-powered lasers as a means to disable missiles (and satellites for that matter).

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#109 by Ergo
2003-03-20 19:27:19
#106 Eric T. Cheng
That a military isn't required to defend the US against the possibility of foreign invasion, etc?  Because if so...stupid...just stupid.


When was the last time the US was invaded by another country? The War of 1812 by Canadians?

This comment is almost too stupid to even bother replying to...

So you're saying that the US shouldn't have an army at all?

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#110 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 19:29:05
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This comment is almost too stupid to even bother replying to...

So you're saying that the US shouldn't have an army at all?


No, I was commenting on when was the last time the US was invaded by another country. :P

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#111 by Ergo
2003-03-20 19:30:37
Now I understand. Since the US hasn't been invaded in nearly 200 years, it could never happen again. Right.

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#112 by Your Friend
2003-03-20 19:30:47
You shouldn't take any steps to live healthy and avoid having a heart attack because when is the last time you've had a heart attack? Never?

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#113 by "Lurky"
2003-03-20 19:35:25
As to the whole reservists getting paid thing - employers are required to have their jobs waiting for them when they get back, but they're definitely not required to pay them full salary while they're gone.  They might be required to pay them some, and certain employers do indeed pay the full salary, but 60 Minutes had a segment last week about the family of a reservist Sargeant who pulled down $100k is now making $40k from the Army.  He and his family (wife, two kids, one on the way) live in some suburb in Massachusetts.  Family can now barely make mortgage and car payments and are eating government cheese.  Least they're eating, fuck the suburbs, sure, whatever you wanna say, but still, it effects their home lives in a fairly significant way.
#114 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 19:37:33
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Now I understand. Since the US hasn't been invaded in nearly 200 years, it could never happen again. Right.


Actually, the Japanese managed to attack the US west coast during WW2...

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#115 by Shadarr
2003-03-20 19:37:54
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You can't really call the war of 1812 a Canadian invasion, since the US started the war by trying to "liberate" Canada.  It may have been the last time there was fighting on American soil, though.
#116 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 19:40:51
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Okay, a serious question now.

Why is there the National Guard along with the other branches of the US military? If the US mainland is being attacked wouldn't you just use the US military (army, navy, marines and air force)?

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#117 by Ergo
2003-03-20 19:41:16
Hardly an invasion. They lobbed one or two shells from a sub off of the coast of Oregon.

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#118 by Gunp01nt
2003-03-20 19:44:24
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It may have been the last time there was fighting on American soil, though.


not counting the civil war, you mean.

or are you saying that was basically how the WWF was done back in the old days?

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#119 by E-ph0nk
2003-03-20 19:46:43
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I would like to comment, but i'm watching thousands of people protest against the war right at the moment, and that's a lot more entertaining.

*sigh*
#120 by "Lurky"
2003-03-20 19:51:07
National Guard is typically rolled out for in-state help.  Back up for state cops when things get heavy, help out in states of emergency, shoot protesting college students, that sort of thing.  Not sure where the funding comes from, probably a mix of state and Fed.  They've got things like A-10's and what not, but I think they're a kind of modern day militias, which were also different from regular army back in the day.
#121 by deadlock
2003-03-20 19:51:53
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#119:

Spas. They were protesting outside Leinster House (Irish Parliament) today and the Minister for Tourism was accosted on the way to his office (which is 100m up the road). Then, a Senator was daubed with paint. By 'peace' protestors.

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#122 by Gunp01nt
2003-03-20 19:53:27
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male battle dwarf:
For the record, I wanted to add that I still believe that a nationwide draft could've alleviated the financial,  moral & patriotic burden this invasion is bringing on the US.


you're always demanding a draft. If you wanna fight, why don't you just sign up with the army?

Yo mama's so fat, all the restaurants in town have signs that says: "Maximum Occupancy: 240 Patrons OR Yo Mama"
#123 by Warren Marshall
2003-03-20 20:00:05
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The security company that provides this building with a guard at night has stepped up their efforts because of the war ... we now have a guard during the day as well.  A guard who waves and says "Hi!" as you walk by him and get on the elevator.
#124 by Gunp01nt
2003-03-20 20:00:49
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a good friend of mine who is currently doing internship in London, told me the London subway was surprisingly quiet this morning (in comparison to the usual), so I guess fear of terrorist attacks has really sunk in.
I must say my trip to London next week to visit my friend was certainly well timed...

I saw a report on a Dutch news show where a reporter was interviewing several people in the New York subway asking them whether they were expecting terrorist attacks, and what preparations they took.

One guy he interviewed grabbed his microphone the minute he pointed it at him, and started semi-rapping into it, like: "yeah man, ain't nuthin gonna go down, aigh. a-body be thinkin da shizzle be hittin but I'm dime."

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#125 by Shadarr
2003-03-20 20:01:58
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not counting the civil war, you mean.


I thought about that right after I posted.  I should've said it was the last time the US fought a foreign force on American soil.
#126 by chris
2003-03-20 20:08:24
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I am a big stupid selfish American, and I was quite happy when Fox stopped broadcasting war news last night in order to show American Idol.

That is all.

-chris
#127 by Duality
2003-03-20 20:08:33
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#128 by Caryn
2003-03-20 20:12:13
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#108 Your Friend
In any case, we're only a couple years away (maybe less, depending upon information nobody knows about due to it being classified) from high-powered l
asers as a means to disable missiles (and satellites for that matter).


We're very close to that. One of my professors at UWyo and a friend of mine who did his PhD with him are both studying adaptive optics, and my professor works in part for the Starfire Optical Range in New Mexico. His entire work revolves around using adaptive optics in defensive laser systems that are designed to be able to fire at and destroy missles that are traveling through the air. The delivery system for the laser defense was actually a 747 equipped with a special rotating nose cone. Pretty cool stuff. The adaptive optics come in in that you have to have them in order to get your laser targetting and working properly through the differing layers of atmosphere as the missle is moving.

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#129 by Matt Davis
2003-03-20 20:13:26
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a good friend of mine who is currently doing internship in London, told me the London subway was surprisingly quiet this morning (in comparison to the usual), so I guess fear of terrorist attacks has really sunk in. I must say my trip to London next week to visit my friend was certainly well timed...


The Tube was quiet because there were signal failures this morning requiring people on the northern line to find alternate routes, the central line is also out, road traffic was slightly heavier that usual in North London, this is not uncommon, but the problem on the tube was worse than usual. But hey! It could be because lots of people woke up this morning and decided not to go into work this morning!

Having lived under terrorist threats for some 25 years now (IRA etc) you learn to get on with your life, you don't avoid stuff or wonder what might happen if you were blown up, otherwise they've succeded in their efforts, the chances of anything happening are extremely remote.

If you're scared about coming over then don't, I'm off to Manhatten at the beginning of May for a nice holiday, no-one is going to make me change my mind, I'm not going to let the remote possible threat of terrorism ruin it.

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