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March 20th 2003, 14:13 CET by Matt Davis

According to various news sources, war has already started with special forces fighting in the southern part of iraq.
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#71 by Caryn
2003-03-20 18:22:18
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
Xero, I think you're simplifying the position a US soldier is in far too greatly. People join the military for a variety of reasons: to get money for college, to get training and a steady job when they don't have much hope of doing that in the civilian world, to travel, and last but not least, because they feel proud to play a part in the defense of our country, or the defense of other countries.

A soldier doesn't know where s/he will end up after they've signed on. Did all of the soldiers who enlisted prior to WWII realize that they were going to be called on to stop a madman from committing some of the worst atrocities in our history? No, but that's what they did. By your logic, they shouldn't have signed up in the first place because they could have been called on to fight a battle that wasn't so clearly polarized along good and evil lines. Soldiers don't get to check a box prior to signing up that says, "I will only do my job when the battle is something that the entire world will support."

And if a soldier decides that he can't do his job because other people in the US feel it isn't justified, they're slitting their own throat. He'll be at worst court martialed and thrown in prison, and at best dishonorably discharged, which means the only job he'll get is working the shake machine at McDonalds for the rest of his life. All of his benefits will be terminated for him and his family.

It's just not as simple a situation, I think, as you make it out to be.

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#72 by Battle-Dwarf
2003-03-20 18:22:32
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*burrows*

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#73 by Bailey
2003-03-20 18:22:56
And did they all look like bin Laden?

YES.

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#74 by Caryn
2003-03-20 18:23:10
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
#70 Battle-Dwarf
>>>Caryn

Isn't San Diego the place for single women?  ;)


...

Did I miss something? I have no idea what you're talking about.

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#75 by Battle-Dwarf
2003-03-20 18:25:02
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Just commenting on your location...nothing more.

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#76 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 18:25:35
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YES.


So what were you doing hanging around with terrorists then?

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#77 by Caryn
2003-03-20 18:26:04
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
#75 Battle-Dwarf
Just commenting on your location...nothing more.


I don't live in San Diego. And I'm not single.

"That's an interesting viewpoint supported by many factual references, but you failed to note that I really don't care." - Bailey
#78 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 18:26:23
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Isn't San Diego the place for single women?  ;)


Ooooh really? Cute single or bags-over-their-heads single?

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#79 by Warren Marshall
2003-03-20 18:27:50
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Did I miss something?

Yes, the big "T" on his chest.
#80 by Battle-Dwarf
2003-03-20 18:28:50
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I don't live in San Diego. And I'm not single.


D'oh!  I thought you resided in San Diego. Well, I stand corrected on the first part.  The second part
---I already know.

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#81 by Battle-Dwarf
2003-03-20 18:30:47
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Ooooh really? Cute single or bags-over-their-heads single?




I didn't have a problem with what I saw out there.  I had my share of chick-a licious!  ;)

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#82 by LPMiller
2003-03-20 18:30:49
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In my opinion the US troops are paid workers, they weren't drafted and they aren't unpaid volunteers, they are men and women paid to kill or support those who will be doing the killing.


No, you are wrong, because they are in fact all brain washed to be in the military. Duh.

But hey, that shouldn't stop anyone from throwing fake blood at them and calling them baby killers when they get home. Because that works out so well for everyone.

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#83 by Battle-Dwarf
2003-03-20 18:31:33
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>>>Warren Marshall

"T" for?

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#84 by Bailey
2003-03-20 18:32:40
So what were you doing hanging around with terrorists then?

Uh... I live in Canada? Hello? This is like the Petticoat Junction of the terrorist inbound route to the US. All terrorists must frolic through our golden wheat fields, pee in our beer-producing mountain streams, and fraternize with the locals before reaching the great satan.

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#85 by MCorleone
2003-03-20 18:35:18
I refuse to watch any footage of this war on television.  I'm going to pick up the special-edition DVD box when it's all over - The one with the 72Minutes of footage they couldn't show me on TV.

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#86 by Bailey
2003-03-20 18:39:49
Soldiers Gone Wild?

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#87 by MCorleone
2003-03-20 18:42:05
Fox News presents:  Geraldo Rivera's Soldier's Gone Wild

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#88 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 18:43:59
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Fox News presents:  Geraldo Rivera's Soldier's Gone Wild


See Geraldo Rivera donkey punches Christiane Amanpour.

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#89 by MCorleone
2003-03-20 18:45:33
Easter Egg

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#90 by Warren Marshall
2003-03-20 18:49:21
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See Geraldo Rivera donkey punches Christiane Amanpour.

Erics personal war with his keyboard continues.
#91 by Darkseid-D
2003-03-20 18:50:20
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Missile knockdown systems?

Oh you mean like the Chaingun systems used on Royal Navy ships from the mid 70s onwards which successfully intercepted quite a few air and waterline based missiles, some got through causing the likes of the Sir Gallahad to burn out and cause several casualtys.  Those systems can knock out missiles up to a mile away and the new varients which use the 'metal storm' system are lethally effective, not sure if metal storm has made it past trialling yet tho.

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#92 by MCorleone
2003-03-20 18:52:11
Mmmm, Phalanx.

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#93 by Darkseid-D
2003-03-20 18:54:25
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thats the type Im talking about MCorleone, thanks, theyve been around for quite some time, albeit not as sophisticated.

Metal storm however is -really- nasty.

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#94 by MCorleone
2003-03-20 19:02:40
Link?

Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
#95 by Charles
2003-03-20 19:07:16
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I saw the phalanx in action on a discovery channel special.  Impressive.

Of course, this is only a minor technicality, as even when "properly elected" into office, a politician has as much chance of not having gotten there via corrupt means as Dubya has of spelling racecar backwards.  --UncleJeet
#96 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 19:07:18
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Link?


Link?

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#97 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 19:09:08
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Here's a streaming video update of CBC Newsworld of the war in Iraq.

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#98 by CheesyPoof
2003-03-20 19:12:38
How many 6'4" Arabs with a dialysis machine attached to them are there?

That is undetermined.
#99 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 19:17:13
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He's not 6'4"?

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#100 by Bailey
2003-03-20 19:20:59
I can't respect a terrorist who doesn't at least top 6'2".

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#101 by Your Friend
2003-03-20 19:22:06
I was going to post more or less what Caryn did, but she beat me too it, damn it.

It is easy to look back now that we're involved in a questionable war and say these troops shouldn't have signed up, but are you honestly advocating that nobody should join the military?  That a military isn't required to defend the US against the possibility of foreign invasion, etc?  Because if so...stupid...just stupid.

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#102 by Charles
2003-03-20 19:22:13
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Does height added by boots count?

Of course, this is only a minor technicality, as even when "properly elected" into office, a politician has as much chance of not having gotten there via corrupt means as Dubya has of spelling racecar backwards.  --UncleJeet
#103 by MCorleone
2003-03-20 19:22:28
Crouching Saddam, Hidden Osama.

Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
#104 by Shadarr
2003-03-20 19:23:25
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I saw a segment last night about how the US has tightened up the Canadian border.  A middle-aged, white couple were turned back because although they had Canadian passports, the border guards wanted things like proof that they owned or rented a home, phone bills, and a bunch of other things that would be a hell of a lot easier to forge than their passports.  Truckers were also pissed off at the delays, since it cuts directly into their bottom line.

All this to prevent terrorists from coming in from Canada even though none of the 9-11 suspects did.
#105 by Hugin
2003-03-20 19:23:38
lmccain@nber.org
Hitting a missile with a gun is significantly simpler than hitting a missile with another missile.  Systems like the Phalanx are pretty cool, but they're doing a significantly different, and simpler job than Patriot missiles.  Which from what I have read and heard, work better now than they did during the first gulf war, but don't yet really work well.
#106 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 19:24:49
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That a military isn't required to defend the US against the possibility of foreign invasion, etc?  Because if so...stupid...just stupid.


When was the last time the US was invaded by another country? The War of 1812 by Canadians?

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#107 by MCorleone
2003-03-20 19:25:09
Yeah, I don't think you'd want a phalanx shredding a warhead filled with bio or chem weapons within a km above a city.  That would sort of assist the dispersal.  Patriot vaporizes (well, is supposed to) the payload.

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#108 by Your Friend
2003-03-20 19:25:31
Those chainguns are all well and good if you're trying to protect a very small target (like the ship the chaingun is on, or one very close to it).  Not so good for protecting much else.  

In any case, we're only a couple years away (maybe less, depending upon information nobody knows about due to it being classified) from high-powered lasers as a means to disable missiles (and satellites for that matter).

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#109 by Ergo
2003-03-20 19:27:19
#106 Eric T. Cheng
That a military isn't required to defend the US against the possibility of foreign invasion, etc?  Because if so...stupid...just stupid.


When was the last time the US was invaded by another country? The War of 1812 by Canadians?

This comment is almost too stupid to even bother replying to...

So you're saying that the US shouldn't have an army at all?

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#110 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 19:29:05
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This comment is almost too stupid to even bother replying to...

So you're saying that the US shouldn't have an army at all?


No, I was commenting on when was the last time the US was invaded by another country. :P

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#111 by Ergo
2003-03-20 19:30:37
Now I understand. Since the US hasn't been invaded in nearly 200 years, it could never happen again. Right.

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#112 by Your Friend
2003-03-20 19:30:47
You shouldn't take any steps to live healthy and avoid having a heart attack because when is the last time you've had a heart attack? Never?

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#113 by "Lurky"
2003-03-20 19:35:25
As to the whole reservists getting paid thing - employers are required to have their jobs waiting for them when they get back, but they're definitely not required to pay them full salary while they're gone.  They might be required to pay them some, and certain employers do indeed pay the full salary, but 60 Minutes had a segment last week about the family of a reservist Sargeant who pulled down $100k is now making $40k from the Army.  He and his family (wife, two kids, one on the way) live in some suburb in Massachusetts.  Family can now barely make mortgage and car payments and are eating government cheese.  Least they're eating, fuck the suburbs, sure, whatever you wanna say, but still, it effects their home lives in a fairly significant way.
#114 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 19:37:33
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Now I understand. Since the US hasn't been invaded in nearly 200 years, it could never happen again. Right.


Actually, the Japanese managed to attack the US west coast during WW2...

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#115 by Shadarr
2003-03-20 19:37:54
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You can't really call the war of 1812 a Canadian invasion, since the US started the war by trying to "liberate" Canada.  It may have been the last time there was fighting on American soil, though.
#116 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 19:40:51
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Okay, a serious question now.

Why is there the National Guard along with the other branches of the US military? If the US mainland is being attacked wouldn't you just use the US military (army, navy, marines and air force)?

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#117 by Ergo
2003-03-20 19:41:16
Hardly an invasion. They lobbed one or two shells from a sub off of the coast of Oregon.

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#118 by Gunp01nt
2003-03-20 19:44:24
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It may have been the last time there was fighting on American soil, though.


not counting the civil war, you mean.

or are you saying that was basically how the WWF was done back in the old days?

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#119 by E-ph0nk
2003-03-20 19:46:43
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I would like to comment, but i'm watching thousands of people protest against the war right at the moment, and that's a lot more entertaining.

*sigh*
#120 by "Lurky"
2003-03-20 19:51:07
National Guard is typically rolled out for in-state help.  Back up for state cops when things get heavy, help out in states of emergency, shoot protesting college students, that sort of thing.  Not sure where the funding comes from, probably a mix of state and Fed.  They've got things like A-10's and what not, but I think they're a kind of modern day militias, which were also different from regular army back in the day.
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