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March 20th 2003, 14:13 CET by Matt Davis

According to various news sources, war has already started with special forces fighting in the southern part of iraq.
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#60 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 18:12:15
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I thought the US Federal government passed a law after the 1991 Persian Gulf War that forces employers to continue to pay reservists while they're on duty (for up to six months) and ensure they have a job when they get back?

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#61 by deadlock
2003-03-20 18:12:29
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That's what's happening (allegedly at least) in the Iraqi army. Military service is definitely mandatory there though.

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#62 by Xero
2003-03-20 18:13:19
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#61 deadlock
That's what's happening (allegedly at least) in the Iraqi army. Military service is definitely mandatory there though.


And thats relevant to what I posted because.......

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#63 by Caryn
2003-03-20 18:14:21
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#57 Eric T. Cheng

(Doesn't the US military subsidize post-secondary education if you enlist?)


Yes, and this is a very big incentive for many of the people who sign up. I myself was this close (picture my fingers together) to joining the Army in order to do just that. I ultimately didn't because I wanted to go into the language specialist/analyst position and my recruiter promised me the slot was mine, only I found out that that wasn't the case at all and I could have ended up in a 6 year position doing something I absolutely hated.

The military will even help pay for your education if you sign up for the National Guard or the Reserves, I believe. And if you sign up while you've already got some college, you'll get ahead in rank. If you've had a few semesters of college you can go in (after basic training) as an E3 instead of an E1 (corporal as opposed to a private, in the Army). And if you've graduated college you can go directly to OCS (Officer Candidate School) and become a lieutenant.

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#64 by deadlock
2003-03-20 18:14:29
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Well it's not entirely irrelevant, is it?

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#65 by Battle-Dwarf
2003-03-20 18:14:32
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In my opinion the US troops are paid workers, they weren't drafted and they aren't unpaid volunteers, they are men and women paid to kill or support those who will be doing the killing.


No disrespect but it's a Good thing(tm) that comment of your is just your opinion  because the truth of the matter is in the military...a paid wage is just one of the many  benefits offered to attract recruits...a privilege, if you will...
And like all benefits/priviledges
---they can be taken  away.  Very easily taken away by a commanding officer (for enlisted) or Congress (for officers).  The Navy/Marines/Air Force/Army can very well make do free labor if you're a knucklehead.  Trust me on this...I've seen it done.

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#66 by Battle-Dwarf
2003-03-20 18:16:37
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...sigh

Edit: The Navy/Marines/Air Force/Army can very well make you do free labor if you're a knucklehead.  Trust me on this...I've seen it done.

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#67 by Bailey
2003-03-20 18:18:34
How many 6'4" Arabs with a dialysis machine attached to them are there?

I've met at least five.

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#68 by Battle-Dwarf
2003-03-20 18:19:14
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So they don't have to pay anyone anything.

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#69 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 18:20:20
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I've met at least five.


And did they all look like bin Laden?

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#70 by Battle-Dwarf
2003-03-20 18:21:50
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>>>Caryn

Isn't San Diego the place for single women?  ;)

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#71 by Caryn
2003-03-20 18:22:18
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Xero, I think you're simplifying the position a US soldier is in far too greatly. People join the military for a variety of reasons: to get money for college, to get training and a steady job when they don't have much hope of doing that in the civilian world, to travel, and last but not least, because they feel proud to play a part in the defense of our country, or the defense of other countries.

A soldier doesn't know where s/he will end up after they've signed on. Did all of the soldiers who enlisted prior to WWII realize that they were going to be called on to stop a madman from committing some of the worst atrocities in our history? No, but that's what they did. By your logic, they shouldn't have signed up in the first place because they could have been called on to fight a battle that wasn't so clearly polarized along good and evil lines. Soldiers don't get to check a box prior to signing up that says, "I will only do my job when the battle is something that the entire world will support."

And if a soldier decides that he can't do his job because other people in the US feel it isn't justified, they're slitting their own throat. He'll be at worst court martialed and thrown in prison, and at best dishonorably discharged, which means the only job he'll get is working the shake machine at McDonalds for the rest of his life. All of his benefits will be terminated for him and his family.

It's just not as simple a situation, I think, as you make it out to be.

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#72 by Battle-Dwarf
2003-03-20 18:22:32
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*burrows*

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#73 by Bailey
2003-03-20 18:22:56
And did they all look like bin Laden?

YES.

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#74 by Caryn
2003-03-20 18:23:10
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#70 Battle-Dwarf
>>>Caryn

Isn't San Diego the place for single women?  ;)


...

Did I miss something? I have no idea what you're talking about.

"That's an interesting viewpoint supported by many factual references, but you failed to note that I really don't care." - Bailey
#75 by Battle-Dwarf
2003-03-20 18:25:02
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Just commenting on your location...nothing more.

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#76 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 18:25:35
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YES.


So what were you doing hanging around with terrorists then?

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#77 by Caryn
2003-03-20 18:26:04
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#75 Battle-Dwarf
Just commenting on your location...nothing more.


I don't live in San Diego. And I'm not single.

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#78 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 18:26:23
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Isn't San Diego the place for single women?  ;)


Ooooh really? Cute single or bags-over-their-heads single?

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#79 by Warren Marshall
2003-03-20 18:27:50
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Did I miss something?

Yes, the big "T" on his chest.
#80 by Battle-Dwarf
2003-03-20 18:28:50
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I don't live in San Diego. And I'm not single.


D'oh!  I thought you resided in San Diego. Well, I stand corrected on the first part.  The second part
---I already know.

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#81 by Battle-Dwarf
2003-03-20 18:30:47
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Ooooh really? Cute single or bags-over-their-heads single?




I didn't have a problem with what I saw out there.  I had my share of chick-a licious!  ;)

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#82 by LPMiller
2003-03-20 18:30:49
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In my opinion the US troops are paid workers, they weren't drafted and they aren't unpaid volunteers, they are men and women paid to kill or support those who will be doing the killing.


No, you are wrong, because they are in fact all brain washed to be in the military. Duh.

But hey, that shouldn't stop anyone from throwing fake blood at them and calling them baby killers when they get home. Because that works out so well for everyone.

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#83 by Battle-Dwarf
2003-03-20 18:31:33
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>>>Warren Marshall

"T" for?

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#84 by Bailey
2003-03-20 18:32:40
So what were you doing hanging around with terrorists then?

Uh... I live in Canada? Hello? This is like the Petticoat Junction of the terrorist inbound route to the US. All terrorists must frolic through our golden wheat fields, pee in our beer-producing mountain streams, and fraternize with the locals before reaching the great satan.

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#85 by MCorleone
2003-03-20 18:35:18
I refuse to watch any footage of this war on television.  I'm going to pick up the special-edition DVD box when it's all over - The one with the 72Minutes of footage they couldn't show me on TV.

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#86 by Bailey
2003-03-20 18:39:49
Soldiers Gone Wild?

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#87 by MCorleone
2003-03-20 18:42:05
Fox News presents:  Geraldo Rivera's Soldier's Gone Wild

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#88 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 18:43:59
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Fox News presents:  Geraldo Rivera's Soldier's Gone Wild


See Geraldo Rivera donkey punches Christiane Amanpour.

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#89 by MCorleone
2003-03-20 18:45:33
Easter Egg

Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
#90 by Warren Marshall
2003-03-20 18:49:21
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See Geraldo Rivera donkey punches Christiane Amanpour.

Erics personal war with his keyboard continues.
#91 by Darkseid-D
2003-03-20 18:50:20
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Missile knockdown systems?

Oh you mean like the Chaingun systems used on Royal Navy ships from the mid 70s onwards which successfully intercepted quite a few air and waterline based missiles, some got through causing the likes of the Sir Gallahad to burn out and cause several casualtys.  Those systems can knock out missiles up to a mile away and the new varients which use the 'metal storm' system are lethally effective, not sure if metal storm has made it past trialling yet tho.

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#92 by MCorleone
2003-03-20 18:52:11
Mmmm, Phalanx.

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#93 by Darkseid-D
2003-03-20 18:54:25
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thats the type Im talking about MCorleone, thanks, theyve been around for quite some time, albeit not as sophisticated.

Metal storm however is -really- nasty.

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#94 by MCorleone
2003-03-20 19:02:40
Link?

Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
#95 by Charles
2003-03-20 19:07:16
www.bluh.org
I saw the phalanx in action on a discovery channel special.  Impressive.

Of course, this is only a minor technicality, as even when "properly elected" into office, a politician has as much chance of not having gotten there via corrupt means as Dubya has of spelling racecar backwards.  --UncleJeet
#96 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 19:07:18
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Link?


Link?

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#97 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 19:09:08
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Here's a streaming video update of CBC Newsworld of the war in Iraq.

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#98 by CheesyPoof
2003-03-20 19:12:38
How many 6'4" Arabs with a dialysis machine attached to them are there?

That is undetermined.
#99 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 19:17:13
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He's not 6'4"?

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#100 by Bailey
2003-03-20 19:20:59
I can't respect a terrorist who doesn't at least top 6'2".

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#101 by Your Friend
2003-03-20 19:22:06
I was going to post more or less what Caryn did, but she beat me too it, damn it.

It is easy to look back now that we're involved in a questionable war and say these troops shouldn't have signed up, but are you honestly advocating that nobody should join the military?  That a military isn't required to defend the US against the possibility of foreign invasion, etc?  Because if so...stupid...just stupid.

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#102 by Charles
2003-03-20 19:22:13
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Does height added by boots count?

Of course, this is only a minor technicality, as even when "properly elected" into office, a politician has as much chance of not having gotten there via corrupt means as Dubya has of spelling racecar backwards.  --UncleJeet
#103 by MCorleone
2003-03-20 19:22:28
Crouching Saddam, Hidden Osama.

Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
#104 by Shadarr
2003-03-20 19:23:25
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I saw a segment last night about how the US has tightened up the Canadian border.  A middle-aged, white couple were turned back because although they had Canadian passports, the border guards wanted things like proof that they owned or rented a home, phone bills, and a bunch of other things that would be a hell of a lot easier to forge than their passports.  Truckers were also pissed off at the delays, since it cuts directly into their bottom line.

All this to prevent terrorists from coming in from Canada even though none of the 9-11 suspects did.
#105 by Hugin
2003-03-20 19:23:38
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Hitting a missile with a gun is significantly simpler than hitting a missile with another missile.  Systems like the Phalanx are pretty cool, but they're doing a significantly different, and simpler job than Patriot missiles.  Which from what I have read and heard, work better now than they did during the first gulf war, but don't yet really work well.
#106 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-03-20 19:24:49
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That a military isn't required to defend the US against the possibility of foreign invasion, etc?  Because if so...stupid...just stupid.


When was the last time the US was invaded by another country? The War of 1812 by Canadians?

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#107 by MCorleone
2003-03-20 19:25:09
Yeah, I don't think you'd want a phalanx shredding a warhead filled with bio or chem weapons within a km above a city.  That would sort of assist the dispersal.  Patriot vaporizes (well, is supposed to) the payload.

Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
#108 by Your Friend
2003-03-20 19:25:31
Those chainguns are all well and good if you're trying to protect a very small target (like the ship the chaingun is on, or one very close to it).  Not so good for protecting much else.  

In any case, we're only a couple years away (maybe less, depending upon information nobody knows about due to it being classified) from high-powered lasers as a means to disable missiles (and satellites for that matter).

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#109 by Ergo
2003-03-20 19:27:19
#106 Eric T. Cheng
That a military isn't required to defend the US against the possibility of foreign invasion, etc?  Because if so...stupid...just stupid.


When was the last time the US was invaded by another country? The War of 1812 by Canadians?

This comment is almost too stupid to even bother replying to...

So you're saying that the US shouldn't have an army at all?

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