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You Filthy Gaijin...
April 12th 2008, 02:05 CEST by Greg

The Japanese are at it again, showing they have no idea how to broach racially sensitive topics in games.

Recently, Capcom released a trailer for Resident Evil 5. In it, Chris Redfield is in a town which looks to be Caribbean, populated by black people who apparently turn into zombies. Which he then has to kill, or something.

The imagery from the trailer is controversial. Is it meant to reflect history? Is it yet another example of Japanese game developers playing off of racial stereotypes (ala Barret in FFVII, hell the topic name "filthy gaijin" is yet another Japanese stereotype)?
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#72 by eggbert
2008-04-12 07:28:39
http://www.stuffresearch.com
Yeah, I never got that. If proof is just the percent times two...why not use the percent instead?

I sometimes wonder as I'm watching what the black actor playing the criminal thinks about his role on the show, and if he has any reservations about playing what is a racial stereotype on one hand but also an unfortunate demographic reality in the setting of the show.

I've had that conversation before. The answer from the actor is usually along the lines of: most parts for minorities are racial stereotypes, and I need to pay this crazy California rent before I get evicted. It would be nice to only play well rounded, complex and interesting minority characters, but there aren't enough out there to sustain a career unless you're Denzel or Will Smith or Morgan Freeman.

It's either that, or a variation of the rationalize any actor has for taking a "commercial" role, it'll help them pay for their personal arty projects.
#73 by Funkdrunk
2008-04-12 07:36:44
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
From Wikipedia

Britain originally specified alcohol content in terms of proof spirit, originally defined as the most dilute spirit which would sustain combustion of gunpowder. In this system, spirit of 100 degrees proof contains 57.1% alcohol by volume or 49.28% alcohol by weight at 51 °F (10.6 °C) and is equivalent to 114.2 proof in the USA. Pure ethanol is 175.25 degrees proof, or more strictly is 75.25 degrees over proof.


It's just a historical thing now.  And most spirits come marked with ABV nowdays, which makes so much more sense.

My bro is an indie film director, and he echoes what Eggie just said.  He adds that also there is the thought that some exposure, no matter how distasteful is better than no exposure.  Lawrence Fishburn played Cowboy Curtis with Pee Wee Herman at one point.

Funk.

#74 by Ergo
2008-04-12 07:55:20
The last bottle of absinthe that I (illegally) imported from Spain was 160 proof, according to the label, so that's some seriously strong shit. It was some Swiss brand, the name of which I forget, probably of the brains cells it killed during its consumption. The reason why absinthe was banned had nothing to do with the so-called "high" it supposedly caused--it had everything to do with how strong and how cheap it was and the amount of competition it was giving to French vintners at the time.

Anyway, absinthe is good stuff when taken in small doses. Unless you don't like the flavor of liquorice; then it's moot.

Invention is the Green Goblin of Necessary Lemonade.

--Flowers
#75 by Funkdrunk
2008-04-12 07:59:19
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
160 huh?  I have a friend who may be going to spain, perhaps I should ask if she can do me the favor.

Funk.

#76 by McBain
2008-04-12 08:26:02
#70 by Shadarr

Agreed.

#77 by Ergo
2008-04-12 08:29:40
Yes, Shadarr's post was spot-on.

Invention is the Green Goblin of Necessary Lemonade.

--Flowers
#78 by m0nty
2008-04-12 08:31:34
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
And thus doesn't belong on this site.
#79 by Dingle
2008-04-12 09:41:36
mylifesazoo@gmail.com
I want to see a game that stars a pathetic, racist-murderer Nazi who has to survive making his way through a concentration camp full of returned-from-the-dead innocent Jews with only a Swiss army knife and a rock. Spend forty hours on the survival horror, and in the end there's no way you can win. You only end up in hell, as it should be.

I'd fork out about $18.77
#80 by BobJustBob
2008-04-12 10:11:27
Sounds like I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream.

"I don't like story in games." - Soren Johnson
#81 by None-1a
2008-04-12 10:25:08
#17 by Caryn
Also, the Japanese seem to be notably completely ignorant of racially charged issues that weren't part of their history, as exemplified by Nazi imagery apparently being popular as fashion items not too long ago in Japan.


While this maybe true with in Japan it's no excuse for it here. A good number of Japanese companies have a nasty habit of using racially charged imagery just to create controversy then playing the 'we have nazi bars and robojesus asskicker manga we don't get this stuff sorry" card as soon as it gets out of control. Second the RE series is one of Capcom's major US releases and the trailer is from E3, you just wouldn't release something like that with out approval from at least someone well versed in american culture and frankly it'd be more likely the whole thing would be funneled through the american offices anyway.

Funny enough the Biohazard 5 trailers have none of this imagery. Granted they are very old and they likely didn't have much in the way of assests to work with for them.

All of that said the only imagery I have to question in the trailer is the inclusion of the megaphone screen. Since there's no context for that it clouds how the rest of the trailer looks a great deal (makeing it look like a call to violance aimed at the outsider rather then a zombie virus infection).
#82 by Dingle
2008-04-12 10:50:34
mylifesazoo@gmail.com
I played that game, and I'm still using the mousepad for it!!! LOlsolollllalaala!!!

I'm of the mindset that the actors who portrayed the villains in Schindler's List could actually be the finest Christians you'd ever meet. I remember Sir Anthony Hopkins' comment about playing villains: "As a Christian man, I play villains to make sure that everyone that walks out of the theatre hates evil."

Thank God we don't all buy into Hollywood stock morality.
#83 by McBain
2008-04-12 10:51:17
All of that said the only imagery I have to question in the trailer is the inclusion of the megaphone screen. Since there's no context for that it clouds how the rest of the trailer looks a great deal (makeing it look like a call to violance aimed at the outsider rather then a zombie virus infection).

I thought the same thing about the guy with the megaphone.

#84 by gaggle
2008-04-12 13:32:45
I remember when I first saw the trailer and, immediately after read about it being racially charged, my knee-jerk response was of the "No I don't see that" and "Jeez way to see racism where it isn't" variety.

That changed as I thought about it though… by now I'm basically just agreeing with Shadarr, Hugin, etc., it obviously is problematic imagery. But then what? It's all good and fine if we agree the setting is problematic, that Capcom is treading into potential hot water, but what's the next part of this discussion? If there is one. Do you ban the game because of the trailer? That'd be way over the top right? What if the game ends up being entirely about whitey slaughtering black zombies exactly like the trailer? Ban? Anything?


Basically I'm asking if you can imagine any sort of physical repercussions for the charged racial theme they've shown? Because even agreeing that it's a tricky position Capcom is placing themselves in I don't feel like wanting to do anything about it. But if it were literally about shooting evil black people (not zombies), or if the game was about shooting Jewish children in concentration camps or gleefully aiming planes into buildings, I'd more ready to more actively shun the game.

"the accusations are such nonsense that I have found it difficult to treat them with the contempt that they deserve." - Clarke
#85 by FoRmaT
2008-04-12 13:40:22
Why do they automatically place themselves in a tricky position just by having a mob of black zombies?

No American complained because the previous installments of this japanese game was set in America and had white zombies.

Remember the Southpark episode "Cartman's silly hate crime"? This reminds me of it.

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#86 by FoRmaT
2008-04-12 13:42:27
Ok, so Cartman IS a racist, but he wasn't being racist when attacking Token, he was "only" being a bully.

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#87 by mgns
2008-04-12 13:47:51
I haven't seen the trailer, and I'm not thinking I'm going to either. But if you sit down and think about how X might be racist, or sexist, aren't you pretty much going to come to the conclusion that, yeah, X is pretty racist?

Should we analyze what we see, and put it in a context and reflect? Sure. Should we over-analyze it? I don't think that is very healthy of productive. And I believe the over-analyzing of all kinds of stupid shit is why my brain hurts and my eyes bleed whenever I watch the news.

I'm not saying that's what we've been doing here, in regards to this trailer, we're a few hundred posts short of it - but how do we know when we go from productive discourse to liberal navel gazing?

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and your curves are best described
by mathematical approximation anyway
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#88 by FoRmaT
2008-04-12 13:52:51
Oh, so they are going to censor Heath Ledger's scene in the upcoming movie. Apparently it's about a scene where he plays dead and crawls inside a body bag, and potentially every other scene where he's painted in a "bad light". I can see there's a morbid element in these shots now that he's dead, but I find it hurts the art to edit those things out.

What did you think of the WTC being edited out of Spiderman?

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#89 by FoRmaT
2008-04-12 13:53:39
Agreeing with Metal Gear.

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#90 by gaggle
2008-04-12 13:54:01
#85 by FoRmaT
Why do they…

If N'Gai, Hugin, Funk, Shardarr and others haven't made sense yet I don't think anyone can make you see it. The original article has a perfectly adequate quote imo:
"It depicts a white protagonist going into an apparently poverty-stricken village (the location is unspecified) and killing throngs of black zombified men and women... That imagery still has a history that has to be engaged, that has to be understood.


I don't see it as whether or not you or I think the trailer is racist, because the answer to that is a simple yes or no opinion. It's about acknowledging that the trailer shows scenes that are racially charged, scenes that you probably want to handle with a bit of care and finesse out of respect and out of a simple business model of not pissing off your customers.

If you don't think the scenes in the trailer are in any way racially charged then that's fine, I think you're objectively wrong or deluding yourself, but you can think that. My question was for everyone else, because obviously you won't feel like there's anything more to the discussion.

"the accusations are such nonsense that I have found it difficult to treat them with the contempt that they deserve." - Clarke
#91 by FoRmaT
2008-04-12 14:06:38
Does that make me a bad person that I don't find this to be racist?

Images of a white protagonist killing black zombies in a poverty-stricken village have no history. At least I don't remember hearing about it.

Is it racist to depict your typical African village as poverty-stricken? I don't think so, because they really are, usually.

And as I said, the game is about killing hordes of zombies, not hordes of black people. I swear next time there is a game where you have to kill white zombies I'll make thirty posts complaining the game is similar to American civil war and it's about North vs. South and it's horrible!

The German version of Carmageddon had robots instead of real people. Why? Because it glorified killing innocent people.

The German version of Resident Evil has no robots. Guess why.

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#92 by gaggle
2008-04-12 14:08:17
but how do we know when we go from productive discourse to liberal navel gazing?

By talking about it until we realize we crossed the line? We can't not talk about stuff because we might go overboards with it in a thousand posts can we? When it comes to Save Anywhere and religion there are larger patterns we can rely on that shows when we're going down a stupid-hole, but this seems new to me.



For what it's worth, just make it clear, I don't think the trailer is racist. I don't get the vibe from it that Capcom is making a racist statement, which is how I judge racism at least. But that doesn't change that the scenes in that trailer are racially charged, regardless of that being intended or not.

"the accusations are such nonsense that I have found it difficult to treat them with the contempt that they deserve." - Clarke
#93 by lwf
2008-04-12 14:10:05
Kill all the Haitians!

When you look at all the observations, calculations, and analysis that has gone into astrology, religion and mysticism make astrology look like an exact science. Wii.
#94 by FoRmaT
2008-04-12 14:17:00
Gaggle, ok I see where you are coming from.

But I don't agree the trailer is more racially charged than the things you see in games like CoD 4 (evil arabs in poverty stricken arab country), Freedom fighters (evil russians), GTA Vice City (evil Cubans), Boiling Point (evil south Americans), or KOTOR (evil wookies).

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#95 by gaggle
2008-04-12 14:28:59
#91 by FoRmaT
next time there is a game where you have to kill white zombies

Welcome to not being a minority? Have you just landed on this planet?


I thought up another example: If you've been stuck in a war zone and seen the terrible terrible things that happens you're going to have a lot of history with that sort of setting. So even if a game is about killing the evil soviets it's still touching that history. It'll alter you and your surviving friends' perception of the game. You can't show, y'know, the fun and games of Battlefield Vietnam to someone who was taken prisoner during that war without triggering a lot of feelings.

Racism has a huge history, and particularly in the US at that. Regardless of your own reaction to it (you or I know nothing about racism personally) there is a valid reaction for others. This is just how the world works.

"the accusations are such nonsense that I have found it difficult to treat them with the contempt that they deserve." - Clarke
#96 by gaggle
2008-04-12 14:47:39
Format, yeah something like that. Kinda. Your CoD4 example rings true, but I don't quite think Wookies have a deep cultural history with any of us…

"the accusations are such nonsense that I have found it difficult to treat them with the contempt that they deserve." - Clarke
#97 by FoRmaT
2008-04-12 14:51:40
Episode 2:

                                                    PADME
You really don't like politicians,
do you?

ANAKIN
I like two or three, but I'm not
really sure about one of them.
(smiling)
I don't think the system works.

PADME
How would you have it work?

ANAKIN
We need a system where the
politicians sit down and discuss
the problems, agree what's in the
best interests of all the people,
and then do it.

PADME
That is exactly what we do. The
trouble is that people don't
wlways agree. In fact, they
hardly ever do.

ANAKIN
Then they should be made to.

PADME
By whom? Who's going to make them?

ANAKIN
I don't know. Someone.

PADME
You?

ANAKIN
Of course not me.

PADME
But someone.

ANAKIN
Someone wise.

PADME
That sounds an awful lot like a
dictatorship to me.

A mischievious little grin creeps across his face.

ANAKIN
Well, if it works...

PADME stares at ANAKIN. He looks back at her, straight-faced, and can't hold a smile.

PADME
You're making fun of me.

ANAKIN
(sarcastic)
On no, I'd be much too frightened
to tease a Senator.

PADME
You're so bad!

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#98 by Marsh Davies
2008-04-12 14:57:43
www.verbalchilli.com
I like how they've released a trailer and everyone is up in arms before any context has emerged about the game. AFAIK, it has yet to be confirmed where the game is set, even.

N'Gai should know better, frankly.

The thing about this imagery is that it is only racially charged out of context. As soon as engage with the explanation - that these villagers are likely being manipulated by a malevolent force just like the Spanish villagers in the previous game - then clearly the decision to kill them isn't racist. Was Resi 4 racist against the Spanish?

Who knows how clear this will be made in the game. Maybe there'll be a cast of friendly black allies! Maybe you'll even get to play as a black person! We just don't know yet - so accusations are premature.

#99 by FoRmaT
2008-04-12 14:58:59
Maybe there'll be a white-skin mod for it. RE4 has a billion mods.

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#100 by gaggle
2008-04-12 14:59:12
Star Wars is Lucas' take on dealing with WWII. And kickass explosions.


Oh the irony of Lucas becoming a dictator of his own empire, an empire based on a product that shows the evil, corruptness and vileness of dictators and empires.

"the accusations are such nonsense that I have found it difficult to treat them with the contempt that they deserve." - Clarke
#101 by gaggle
2008-04-12 15:03:02
#98 by Marsh Davies
so accusations are premature.

I think that's been said quite a few times in this thread even, we have to wait for the game to judge the game. And, y'know what, I gotta say it's kind of an obvious point, of course any reactions to the trailer is about… the trailer. It can't be any different. In that light I feel your point is as irrelevant as anywhere else that line of reasoning is used, we're obviously talking about the trailer and the context it provides (i.e. none to little), and if talk about the trailer equals talking about the whole game then we can't ever talk about anything until the full product is in our hands.

"the accusations are such nonsense that I have found it difficult to treat them with the contempt that they deserve." - Clarke
#102 by FoRmaT
2008-04-12 15:13:22
Yes, you are right about us only about the trailer.

If the megaphone man turns out to be yelling "Kill the whitebread and I'll give you something to eat!", that'll change things.

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#103 by FoRmaT
2008-04-12 15:13:52
us talking only

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#104 by m0nty
2008-04-12 16:10:29
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
If Format was showing off his cleavage in a borderline S&M black latex outfit, then maybe I would listen to him.
#105 by gaggle
2008-04-12 16:28:24
…any, uh, mention of a gender swap as well or are you implying something there pilgrim?

"the accusations are such nonsense that I have found it difficult to treat them with the contempt that they deserve." - Clarke
#106 by FoRmaT
2008-04-12 16:41:54
I can wear a strap-on for you, too.

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#107 by Hugin
2008-04-12 16:50:14
lmccain@nber.org
I'm pretty disappointed that anyone is reading the stuff people are saying about the imagery in the trailer and coming away with ""We're accusing RE 5 of being racist!".  That strikes me, at this point, as a pretty willful misreading of the sentiment being expressed.

"Bioshock, sadly, is no Painkiller." - BobJustBob
#108 by LPMiller
2008-04-12 16:52:24
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
you know, I see the....potential racist issue in the images. But I don't see racism in the context of the trailer. I think that's the real issue. Certainly, the trailer mirrors racially charged events, but...zombies.  To me, that doesn't make it racist, but does make it an interesting parallel.

If i'm just looking at the imagery of it, yeah, it looks like a rednecks wet dream.  But - without play the game, mind - I cannot just call it racist based on what context I understand is the intent. Sloppy in execution, maybe.

I think we are both too quick to pull the racist trigger, and too quick to call something non racist, usually depending on who you are. And I think for me personally, I need to see the whole package to judge better what is there. Because I hate hate hate when racist is thrown around too much, and I hate when it's ignored when something clearly is racist. I think racism is such a charged topic that the slower we are in determining whether something is racist or not, the better off we'd be in general.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
#109 by LPMiller
2008-04-12 16:52:47
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Italics......ATTACK!!

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
#110 by lwf
2008-04-12 17:22:02
I still haven't seen any mention of what imagery in particular is problematic. Then again I haven't read the entire article nor even watched the trailer (or maybe I did, months ago).

The bottom line is it's resident evil, the last one had a boss that looked about 8 years old, and this is a game where all the real villains are corrupt/evil white guys. I think the main reason they're setting it in Africa is just for a change of scenery, same reason as they went to Europe for the last one, maybe 6 will take place in China, who knows.

Dead Rising on the other hand had excellent ethnic diversity in its zombies, if I remember correctly, and zombies of all shapes and sizes for the generic white guy protagonist to chop up with mini-chainsaws. I'm sure some of the imagery was problematic for certain people as well, for instance if you have a fear of clowns, or a love of clowns, or if you've ever been involved with a cult.

Insofar as the imagery is problematic, that's just a function of the setting. I don't think the concentration camp comparisons are very apt though, that's just too specific a situation. I also don't see how this imagery has anything to do with racism in america or the history thereof, assuming it takes place in present day Africa. If it was a game set in 19th century Virginia and you were a plantation owner under siege by a legion of zombie slaves, maybe I would think differently.

Anyway, if we are just talking problematic as in "Al Sharpton et al are going to froth themselves silly, and that could hurt the bottom line" then yeah, I agree. I can see huge potential for controversy with this game, because there are people who make a living just stirring shit up, and any opportunity to do so will be taken advantage of.

When you look at all the observations, calculations, and analysis that has gone into astrology, religion and mysticism make astrology look like an exact science. Wii.
#111 by Greg
2008-04-12 18:07:17
Marsh - apparently there was some outcry over the depiction of people in RE4, though I'm not a good journalist nor lawyer so I have no sources.

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#112 by FoRmaT
2008-04-12 19:42:30
Just re-read the entire thread and googled up "Stormfront". Damn, those guys are serious sickos. There was a link to a forum that's even worse than that. Those sites suggest the USA really seems to have a big racism problem. How aren't those sites shut down? Are there no laws against nazi propagating their hate there? Those sites would be shut down in hours and the people who run them would be in jail the next day over here.

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#113 by FoRmaT
2008-04-12 19:50:38
Wow, torrentspy.com is history!

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#114 by FoRmaT
2008-04-12 19:54:20
Signature from some idiot on that forum I mentioned:

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people." –Abraham Lincoln Sept. 18, 1858

Did Lincoln really say that?

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#115 by LPMiller
2008-04-12 20:55:58
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
I never met lincoln, I couldn't tell you.

But as to why it isn't banned, well, that's freedom of speech for you. There are 'hate crime' laws - if you kill someone just to kill them, it's just murder, if you killed them because they were black, it's a hate crime with additional penalties (over simplified). But the first amendment pretty much prevents the kind of banning of nazi symbolism you have in germany.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
#116 by FoRmaT
2008-04-12 21:12:12
Do you think that's good or bad? I'm honestly curious about this.

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#117 by mgns
2008-04-12 21:14:23
Pushing ideas underground is always, always bad.

but watching changes every fact
and your curves are best described
by mathematical approximation anyway
so I use fingertips to trace our play
#118 by eggbert
2008-04-12 21:21:07
http://www.stuffresearch.com
N'Gai should know better, frankly.

The thing about this imagery is that it is only racially charged out of context. As soon as engage with the explanation - that these villagers are likely being manipulated by a malevolent force just like the Spanish villagers in the previous game - then clearly the decision to kill them isn't racist. Was Resi 4 racist against the Spanish?


Here's the thing, if the Kotaku/Joystiq/etc. comment threads are taken as samples, then most people are attributing things to N'Gai that he didn't say. His point was specifically that, if someone didn't have the context that this was a game about zombies and didn't know about the story of the previous games, then it could look racist to have the one Aryan-prototype white guy killing off a tribe of crazed, savage black people without any context. Maybe they should have done the trailer differently to avoid that sort of thing or explain it further.

What people heard in their mind's ear was apparently "Resident Evil 5 is racist because you're allowed to kill black people", thus the defensive "Oh god not again! When will black people let us forget about this whole racism thing!! We said we're sorry, gosh! Leave us alone! Reverse Racism! Reverse Racism!" responses in the comments. However this wasn't his point at all, and he explicitly refutes this view in the article.

Okay, that's not what was actually said, but I was surprised how put upon and defensive some of the responses were. We may pick on format, but there are thousands out there on the internet who reacted the exact same way.
#119 by FoRmaT
2008-04-12 21:31:10
For once, I didn't think I was being picked on. We have had a nice discussion so far.

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#120 by Ng Yo
2008-04-12 21:34:46
finished crysis

what game should i start next people ???
the quicker i start it the less posts i make here...
the games i can play are listed on my site under "the list" eh !?

ps: there are many many many blacks in crysis. ...why?

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#121 by FoRmaT
2008-04-12 21:40:56
What's that noise?

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
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